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| | Page: [Previous] [Next] 1 2 | | (21) Posted by Evgeni Bourd [Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 20:13] |
This really bring some sad memories regarding a particular problem -
5th Hon metion by Arieh Grinblat which can be found in -
http://www.selivanov.ru/download/Awards/2012/MTLU-100-C-preliminary.pdf
I had my strong feelings back then when seeing the award but somehow I passed on the opportunity to say something.
I'll start with my own thoughts regarding the problem , which is in my opinion a strong competitor for the best problem of that tourney.
The problem displays reciprocally changed continuations in an amazing way with active sacrifices and play all around.
One has to spend some time to understand how this magic works...
In my opinion the judge was completely out of line with the remarks made regarding the composer and "the west".
I'll just translate the first line of the comment , as it is somehow relevant to the previous post and the topic in general -
The author - A prolific and capable ( yep , this is the exact word ) problemist , but like many in the West,
too fond about changed functions of moves, which does not reflect the essence of the chess game.
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| | | (22) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 21:22] |
Understandable. One of the leading problem magazines 'The Problemist' did not accept multiple solution problems (in direct mate problems) for several years .... I think till 80s. Even for twins they had a separate section. A second solution in a direct mate problem was considered equal to a cook !
| | | (23) Posted by Michael McDowell [Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 22:15] |
Nonsense. The Problemist published multi-solution problems in the twins section. One by Myllyniemi won a 1st Prize.
| | | (24) Posted by Jacques Rotenberg [Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 22:58] |
To put a twin section is by itself questionable.
In any case it is not a straight and full rejection as can be seen in some places and by some composers.
(btw, I am quite surprised that the opposition "east/west" seems still alive.)
| | | (25) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Friday, Aug 23, 2013 09:33] |
I am sorry that my comment in Post.22 was quite vague. Most composers did not like to compose multi solution problems (they mostly converted as try problems with obvious refutations) as they were just not considered good enough. I assumed that the logic behind this was the idea that multi solutions were somehow equal to cooks. Thanks to Mcdowell for clarifying that multi solutions were indeed published in 'The Problemist' in the Twins section (though they do not belong there). Anyway multi solution problems were not published in the directmate "Championship" section - perhaps implying that such composers did not deserve the Championship!!
| | | (26) Posted by Michael McDowell [Friday, Aug 23, 2013 10:05] |
The Championship referred to the solving championship. It had nothing to do with the compositions.
| | | (27) Posted by Ian Shanahan [Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 01:04] |
Indeed, the Twins section from "The Problemist" was dissolved in the early 1980s, and multi-solution directmates were published with the other directmates at that time.
| | | (28) Posted by Nikola Predrag [Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 01:54] |
It is the matter of genres. Helpmates present a cooperation, suitable for multisolutions. Fighting genres present attack-defence and try-refutation. Without some genuine cooperation or defence, there is no genuine helpmate or twomover, respectively.
The positions in post No.5, both in the twin or 2-solution form, are correct either as #2 or as h#1,5. A single legal bK's move after the initial stalemate is neither a genuine defence nor a genuine cooperation, respectively. The 'artistic effect' may look nice, but the chosen genre itself would be humiliated.
A genre with a genuine lack of fight or cooperation would be more appropriate, just a simple illustration:
 (= 4+1 )
ser-#2 2 sol. 4+1
The content is changed but it is in a good balance with the pieces, their functions and the stipulation/genre. Insisting to present some idea in an inappropriate genre could downgrade that genre. And a poorly used genre could be worse than the poorly used pieces.
By the way, what is 'Loyd' and what would be 'Bristol'?
| | | (29) Posted by Kevin Begley [Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 23:54]; edited by Kevin Begley [13-08-26] |
A ser-#n problem, can require considerable cooperation (as much as any helpmate).
The only difference is, units of a single color must cooperate with each other.
Helpmates are a scheduling problem (everybody is on the same side) -- quite similar, in this respect, to ser-#n problems.
The colors of the units are only valuable in determining move legality (and move order) -- it is bogus (and highly orthocentric!) to suppose that cooperation is only experienced between opposite colors.
The common acceptance of this false myth, I suspect, probably explains why ser-#n problems are so often undervalued by ortho-biased judges.
note: even ser-h#n (which are nearly identical, and exhibit a minimal level of hostile interplay) score substantially higher than ser-#n problems -- largely due, I suspect, to the flawed orthocentric view, which considers hostile interplay to be a required component of cooperation.
For example, consider Win Chloe stats...
3830 direct-series problems, of which just 7.31% (280) are awarded, and only 1.15% (44) earn prizes.
10107 help-series problems, of which 17.2% (1740) are awarded, and 4.44% (449) earn prizes (!).
127632 non-series help problems, of which 34.1% (43493) are awarded, and 9.95% (12697) earn prizes (!!).
There can be no doubt that the gross disparity in award percentages also contributes to the extreme disparity in quantity.
Unless somebody has a better explanation for both disparities, I consider it to be a clear indication of orthocentric bias.
Given the strong bias seen in the empirical data, it is a wonder that anybody bothers to compose series-movers, without including a single move from the side falsely perceived to be "hostile" (which is actually cooperating, according to a HELP goal).
Cooperation demonstrated between ortho-friendly units is in the exact same spirit as cooperation between ortho-hostile units.
Orthodoxy should be left out of problem diagrams -- it only clouds the judgment.
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