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MatPlus.Net Forum General Can computers compose artistic problems? (1)
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(21) Posted by Nikola Predrag [Thursday, Jun 16, 2016 11:59]

The topic is about the ARTISTIC problems. Art is an original creation and you can't PRE-scribe "artistic" features.
Only after comprehending a certain piece of art, an experienced eye might perceive the artistic features and the beauty of that piece of art.

Art is about the creation and not about a "prescribed beauty". The beauty of creation is in the "depth" of its harmony.
The artist creates complex original relations among "the elements" of the created system/world.
If you want it trivially simplified, to create "beauty", artist must create "ugliness", "warm" goes with "cold", etc..

Telling in advance what will be beautiful in a new system/world, is a complete nonsense.
We tend to attribute "beauty" or "ugliness" to the animals by the appearance.
But the "beauty" of a living creature is in the harmonious complexity of its living and survival.
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(22) Posted by Evgeni Bourd [Thursday, Jun 16, 2016 12:40]

My point is ... why do you think you are better than a computer at understanding, judging and creating art? Aren't you just a complicated machine yourself?
Not all computers are just software written by other humans, some programs can learn by themselves as well.
Turing test is still a while to go, but I do not think we are too far.
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(23) Posted by Darko Šaljić [Thursday, Jun 16, 2016 14:04]

How to teach a computer to create something like "Guernica"?
The work that is horrible in every detail and yet is powerful and immortal masterpiece.
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(24) Posted by shankar ram [Thursday, Jun 16, 2016 15:11]

A cyclone problem with 40+ pieces? Oops.. Those are still composed by humans.. ;-) With the computer being used for checking soundness.. or in some cases for finding matrices (see cyclone 2)..
But, seriously, using computer search programs at their current level is like searching on a beach for a pretty shell or a smooth pebble.. Chess problem analogues of Guernica from the great ocean of undiscovered art still requires humans.. :-)
(apologies to Sir Isaac for twisting his words)
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(25) Posted by Nikola Predrag [Thursday, Jun 16, 2016 17:27]

Evgeny, the complexity of living ceatures (and certainly of human beings) is beyond any meaningful guessing.
Only if you extremely and essentially reduce the concepts of life and human mind, you might compare me with a "complicated machine". Of course, that would deprive me of my essence (which is not comprehensible itself, at least not before a rather distant future, if ever).

It's a very slow process to improve the machines for comparing with humans. It's much, much, much quicker to reduce the incomprehensible depths of our humanity. When you reduce a man enough, he might match a machine. And then you might say that a machine has matched a man.

Will the machines match the Nature? Well, the greed executes the inverted process, by depriving the Nature of its essence and treating it as a mere "machine":

Genuine scientist are at least honest enough to recognize and admit when they find a new dimension for research, but who can tell that it's ideed the "utmost frontier" (I doubt it):
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