|(1) Posted by Steven Dowd [Friday, May 16, 2008 21:01]|
The Wagner move
In the latest Schwalbe, J. Kratz discusses the Wagner move - a check provocation with a queen promotion. He notes he knows of no mate problem using the move.
Is this the first?
Manchester City News 1911
(= 4+3 )
I find this (idea,theme, move) quite interesting. Do posters know of any more?
|(2) Posted by Vladimir Tyapkin [Friday, May 16, 2008 21:13]|
Loyd's 'Steinitz Gambit' comes to mind.
|(3) Posted by Michael McDowell [Friday, May 16, 2008 21:17]|
Loyd's "Steinitz Gambit" three-mover (1st Prize, Checkmate Ty 1903) would seem to be the obvious predecessor.
|(4) Posted by [Friday, May 16, 2008 21:35]; edited by [08-05-16]|
I probably haven't understood the nub of it, as this appeared in the
first source I checked (Theory of Pawn Promotion, what else?)
J. P. Taylor
(= 7+3 )
3rd pr. English Mechanic, 1891-01-16
Not being a subscriber to Schwalbe (too modern ... :-), is there
an example that might clear it up?
|(5) Posted by Vladimir Tyapkin [Sunday, May 18, 2008 04:09]; edited by Vladimir Tyapkin [08-05-18]|
Here is a less known problem by Vladimir Savchenko. He published a series of moremovers with Loyd's "refuse to capture" idea in the 60-70ss. He presented it in the form where white refuses to capture black queen repeatedly.
Chess Moscow, 1970
(= 13+12 )
1.Rd1? Sd2 2.Rd2 h1Q+!
1.0-0-0! ab2+ 2. Kc2! (2.Kb2? Qb8+, 2.Kb1? Sd2+) b1Q+ 3. Kc3! Qb2+ 4. Kd3! Qe2+ 5. Ke2 f3+ 6. Ke1 Sd2 7. Sd7 Ke4 8.Bc2#
|(6) Posted by Steven Dowd [Monday, May 19, 2008 20:55]|
I think Kratz meant only Kh3/a3 h1Q+/a1Q+ versus Kg3/h3 h1S+/a1S+.
Vladimir, that is a nice example because every player like me wants to check and take the queen. :)
I wonder how long white has held out to a promoted queen? That is how many queen checks until white must finally capture and/or lead up to the mate? I was able to come up with a dualized end mate and seven queen checks, including the initial promotion, but it wasn't much of a problem yet.
|(7) Posted by Jan Hein Verduin [Friday, May 30, 2008 10:52]|
Let's not forget this classic:
1st prize Römmig MT
(= 7+4 )
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