|(1) Posted by Steven Dowd [Sunday, Oct 14, 2007 19:26]|
Four corner rook
The idea of a four corner rook in all problem types is well known, of course. Its easiest to express in some problem types like seriesmovers.
I wonder if there has ever been a four corner promoted rook in a directmate? - I know the queen has featured in this way, in a Russian problem from a semi-open Kegel, and probably others. With a friend of mine, I've composed an (as-of-yet unfinished) directmate #6 with a Phoenix 4 corner rook. We'd like to know what has been done before we decide what to do with the idea...... I've seen a few four corner rooks in directmates in recent magazines (all with the rook already on the board), most recently Probleemblad, so the idea is perhaps not exhausted.
|(2) Posted by Rewan Demontay (Real Name: James Malcom) [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 02:33]; edited by Rewan Demontay (Real Name: James Malcom) [19-11-17]|
It's not a directmate, but here's a nice four corner promoted rook in a helpmate.
Bo Lindgren, 8944 Tidskrift för Schack 07/1945, 2nd prize 7th theme tournament of the Stockholm problem chess club
(= 2+15 )
P.S.-10 years is a long while for a reply, ey? :-)
|(3) Posted by seetharaman kalyan [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 05:17]|
what is the stipulation? and solution pl
|(4) Posted by Siegfried Hornecker [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 05:24]|
h#4 1.Ba1 h8R+ 2.Kg7 R:a8 3.Rd7 R:a1 4.Kf8 Rh1 5.Ke8 Rh8 mate
Easy to find.
|(5) Posted by Rewan Demontay (Real Name: James Malcom) [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 06:22]; edited by Rewan Demontay (Real Name: James Malcom) [19-11-17]|
Stipulation added seetharaman!
And nice solving Siegfried!
|(6) Posted by Olaf Jenkner [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 08:37]|
I found only three corners in a moremover:
|(7) Posted by Siegfried Hornecker [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 09:52]; edited by Siegfried Hornecker [19-11-17]|
I don't get it completely. I tried mirroring etc, but if I move the white king away to enforce taking on h8 also, I can't protect g2 properly (a knight would either defend h3 also, block the first rank or give check - a bishop would add other solutions).
(= 5+2 )
Mate in 3.5
(threat 2.Rh1 and 3.Bh2 mate)
1.-K:g1 2.R:a8 Kh2 3.Ra1 Kh3 4.Rh1 mate
(1.-Ke1 2.R:a8 Kd1 3.Rc8 Ke1 4.Rc1 mate)
The best I got is this ugly setting: (wRh8->h2, +bRh8, Mate in 4)
If the white rook would start on h1 instead of h2, I would be glad even with the two forced captures.
EDIT: Here is the perfect setting. Sadly, as Olaf says below, I misunderstood the theme and didn't see it should be a promoted rook.
(= 3+2 )
Mate in 4
1.Ra8 K:h7 2.R:a1 Kg8 3.Rh1 Kf8 4.Rh8 mate (1.-Kh5? 2.Rg8)
This is so simple it is likely completely anticipated
|(8) Posted by Olaf Jenkner [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 10:13]|
Steven asked for a promoted rook.
|(9) Posted by Joaquim Crusats [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 11:47]|
I recall that I read the initial post in the "good old days" and rolled up my sleeves:
Steven B. Dowd
Die Schwalbe 2008
(= 12+7 )
Try: The move 1.Bxe5?, an immediate active sacrifice of the white bishop, is refuted not by 1...Qxe3+ (or any other move!), but rather 1…h2! If 1.Bxe5 Qxe3+? 2.Sxe3+ Ke1 3.Bg3#, and 1…dxe5? simply would lead back to 2.c4!
Key: 1.c4! (thr. 2.Sc3+ Kc1 3.Re1+ Kxb2 4.Rb1#) Qxe3+ 2.S×e3+ Ke1 3.Bxe5 dxe5 4.h8=R (4.h8=Q? h2 5.Qxe5 h1=S!) Kf2 5.Ra8 h2 6.Ra1 h1=Q/R 7.Rxh1 Kxf3 8.Rf1# 4...h2 5.Ra8 h1=Q/R 6.Ra1+ Kf2 7.Rxh1 Kxf3 8.Rf1 5...Kf2 6.Ra1 h1=Q/R 7.Kxf3 8.Rf1#
Phoenix, underpromotion, stalemate avoidance, echo motif between threat and solution, first example of a promoted four-corner-rook, clearance.
|(10) Posted by Olaf Jenkner [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 12:36]|
It's in the PDB: P1255788.
I didn't find it because the solution was given only in the comment section.
|(11) Posted by Rewan Demontay (Real Name: James Malcom) [Sunday, Nov 17, 2019 15:07]; edited by Rewan Demontay (Real Name: James Malcom) [19-11-17]|
The #8 is very good. But in my opinion, the promoted rook only visits three corners.
@Siegfried, you are correct that your 5 piece #4 is completely anticipated. See here: https://www.yacpdb.org/#64590
Shinkman found it first in 1901.
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